It is true to say, in the context of the people, that the State is the civil servants and the politicians, and it stands guilty of an awful injustice to the people in the Public Gallery, and to those within the system who are experiencing the chilling effect of this debate on what happened to the whistleblowers in the past and so will not come forward. The State should own up to its moral obligations and should reach out to the likes of Maurice McCabe, who may not have been here today were it not for the strength of his own family and his wife Lorraine. What has happened in the Garda since then? Have we seen dramatic reforms? Have we seen the Charleton tribunal and its output even implemented? What happened during the tribunal? My own name was besmirched by some unknown Deirdre G. during the course of that to discredit me as a witness. Consider the case of John Barrett. The then Minister came in here to the Dáil and told us that he was being suspended but nothing happened since. John Barrett should be reinstated. He told the truth at the Committee of Public Accounts. The moral obligation should be that he should be back in his place and he should be paid. The Charleton tribunal, and the efforts being made by the State through its legal representatives, is costing the State a fortune. The ones being penalised are the ones who are making the disclosures based on truth. The ones that are making money out of it are the lawyers, paid by the Government, which is the taxpayers. I would love to hear from Lorraine Morris, who was involved in the banking inquiry here. It was a complete whitewash according to Jonathan Sugarman, and I support that view. I would like to hear what she has to say about the Ulster Bank investigation, about the fact that the Financial Times mentions Ulster Bank, RBS and Lloyds, and about the suggestion of a €50 billion redress scheme. Part of what happened there is impacting the SMEs in this country. Let us know what happened within this House in relation to the banking inquiry. Let us hear directly from Lorraine Morris. Jonathan Sugarman lost his job and nothing was learned from it. Consider the case of Sean O'Brien. A Minister over the prisons at that time said that he was outrageously dismissed. The Minister said he was satisfied that Mr. O'Brien was mistreated by the State. The case was never brought to his attention.
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Ms Julie Grace-----
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Yes, I will conclude now. Ms Julie Grace should be recognised and it should be sorted without her having to go to Europe. Mr. Noel McGree lost his house. He was treated so badly-----
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-----and still has not been compensated by the State. Should the Minister not just step in and say we have a moral obligation to fix the wrong that was done to that man and his family?
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We must remember, a Chathaoirleach Gníomhach-----
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-----that behind every single one of those whistleblowers and the ones who are silently waiting for something to happen-----
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-----there is a family and a mental health issue.
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We sat idly by-----
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-----while all of that was put on them by the State and its agents.
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Mr. Alo Mohan would be the same. I could go on and mention others.
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I know I am abusing my time-----
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-----but I only have two and a half minutes.
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I want to say that if we only learned from the whistleblowers, we would save the State a fortune and would hail them as heroes and not describe them, as happened, as "disgusting".
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They are not disgusting. They are, in fact, heroes.
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I will fight my battles on this side.
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A Cheann Comhairle, I note that reply showed disrespect to certain of those in the Public Gallery and to the issue at hand.
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