Deputy Butterly has set it all out very well. It raises the question as to why people within the system do not listen and why they turn a deaf ear to a lot of the information they get. Some of it is quite harrowing yet it is just kept quiet and then we are here today looking back years ago. It begs a question about the use of this House and the committee system to allow people to come forward under some form of protection to explain what has happened to them and receive the type of support that is needed in the context of having a wrongdoing dealt with or a wrongdoing exposed because unless the scoping exercise is absolutely clear and defined, parties on both sides of the argument will not be happy with tribunals and inquiries. As Deputy Cullinane said earlier, we need to know who, where and why. We need to apportion the blame in terms of people who were involved and who knew. They need to take on the responsibility and own up to what they turned a blind eye to. We need to ask the State why it has taken such an effort to get to here. If the scoping exercise does not answer all of those questions or allow those questions to be answered in the context of an inquiry, it will then be all for nothing. I have seen too many inquiries in this House run into the sand simply because there was some form of legal action against it. They never get a chance to really get to the truth. It does not look good for the State. It gives some credence to the claim that is often made that there is a cover-up happening here. Let us just stop the cover-up. Let us be fair, honest and truthful to the person carrying out the scoping exercise to allow that truth, story and experience to come out. I support the comments of Deputy Cullinane on that. On the statements on scoliosis, I have asked many questions of CHI and this is what shocked me about the replies is that CHI tells me that due to patient confidentiality, it will not respond. These questions come from the parents of the child in question. That is shocking. The parent comes and demands some answers. As their Member of this Parliament, I pose the question and we are told, "No, we are not telling you." That is what causes most of the problems in the House. It is the fact that the truth will not be told. If we stand for anything, we have to stand for truth and justice. That is why we were elected here. Do not hide behind any tribunals. Do not hide behind procedures. Let us get the facts out there. In asking for the facts, the question I referred to, like many others, was a general question. How many are on the list for counties Carlow or Kilkenny? That is not a breach of any confidentiality. It is not breaching anyone's confidence, yet CHI would not give the figures. It would not give the details of how parents and children were treated when it was given specific information. We have to ask ourselves a question in this House: will we take back that power? Will we act as parliamentarians, with the appropriate powers and with the appropriate authority, to get to the truth and deliver justice wherever it is needed? If we do not do that, it will just become a cynical exercise in burying issues that have come before us for another few years.

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Will the Deputy conclude?

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Thanks, Deputy Murphy.

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