It has been said multiple times before, but I must refer to the anger out there about those who have coined it in the IPAS disaster that this State has stood over. I agree with Deputy Carthy. We would all have preferred to see what would have been a lot cheaper from the point of view of the State’s coffers, that is, the public provision of necessary accommodation. I accept there were issues of State failure with regard to processing times, which we have constantly brought up in the House. However, the fact is that people saw a chance to make money, and they went out and did it. I will admit that some of them may have run better outfits than others. Some were absolute chancers, however, providing sub-par property at high-bar prices, and the State paid. What we are talking about here is transparency in order that we would see who is making the money and how much money they are making. It would have made a lot more sense for the State to go in the direction suggested by Catherine Day, namely, State provision. Again, as Deputy Carthy said, it is also about ensuring that when that happens, no more than when any of this happens, there should be proper, real engagement with the community. There has been an abject failure in that regard. When talking about contracts, we could talk about the D Hotel and the fact that nobody did any element of due diligence on that. Drogheda lost the D Hotel, where many weddings and functions took place. It was a necessity from the point of view of the tourism business, but it was taken away. There was an awful lot of talk with the Government, over and back, about how we would be able to use it for dual purposes, but that never came to anything. It was just another load of waffle, conversation and time wasted. Then we discovered that the fire certification was only for 240 beds, while the State had entered into a contract for 500. That just sums up the farce that IPAS was. We are all in agreement that what we need is public provision. It will take a considerable amount of time to get there, particularly because we started on the journey too late, but beyond that, there needs to be transparency. I ask that due diligence is done. It is proposals like this amendment that we need to see in operation. We then need to ensure that it is not the case of many a fly-by-night operator who thought they could buy a hotel without even really needing to know how to run a hotel. In the case of the D Hotel, they would only need to half-run it, and they could make an absolute fortune. People literally set up tiny businesses that became huge businesses that were all about delivering IPAS accommodation. That is a failure of the State, and the cost has been astronomical. I ask for sense and for the House to support Deputy Carthy's amendment.

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I will be very quick in relation to this. We have had Tusla in front of the children's committee numerous times. It will talk about its new operating model. I do not take away from the complex cases but we are talking about putting a greater onus on the organisation. It has stated quite explicitly – I have brought this up with the Minister for Children, Disability and Equality, Deputy Norma Foley, in particular – that on the basis of its figures, it is 300 social workers short. It is at least 100 social care workers short. We all know there is an insufficient number of foster carers; it is probably upwards of 500 short. We are therefore putting pressure on an entity that is already under severe pressure. I agree with Deputy Carthy that there need to be some sort of utterances from the Minister for justice on accepting this proposal and some means of dealing with the matter. There is not much point in putting an already-under-pressure organisation under more pressure or setting it up for failure. The latter is not acceptable either. There has to be an element of fairness and recognition. Again, we are dealing with a timeline that has been thrust on the Minister because of the agreement in respect of the EU migration and asylum pact. I do not believe any of this is conducive to coming up with a real solution to dealing with the issues regarding international protection.

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