Amendments Nos. 2 to 4, inclusive, are related and will be discussed together.
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Before I move to the Minister of State, I remind Members we should try to keep the debate to discussion of the amendments proposed. I know we have eight hours but I say this given the controversy raised last week with regard to Committee Stage and how nobody should be, I suppose, taking advantage of the time.
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Could the Deputy repeat that, please?
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Deputy, please speak to the amendment.
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It must be relevant to the amendment.
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Are there any further Members? If it is relevant, Deputy Ó Súilleabháin.
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It is not relevant, Deputy, because deportation is not mentioned in the amendment.
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I am afraid it is not. It is not relevant to this amendment.
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It may be relevant to the other amendments but we are sticking to the amendments. I call Deputy Gannon.
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Amendment No. 6 has been ruled out of order.
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It has been explained, Deputy. It carries a potential charge on revenue and unless he can dispel that, I am afraid it is out of order.
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I will read the note for the Deputy. It states: "Amendment No. 6 would insert a new definition for legal counselling, a term used later in the Bill, but this definition would provide that such services be provided to persons without charge to the applicant, irrespective of a person's ability to secure legal services by their own means." Unfortunately, that is where the money message comes in. It has been checked.
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The reason that amendment No. 6 is ruled out of order is that at paragraph (c), it states, "without charge to the applicant". Amendment No. 7 is somewhat more nuanced or ambiguous.
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Relevance, Deputy.
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I will clarify again the reasoning behind the ruling out of order of Deputy Gannon's amendment. Deputy Kelly clearly did not get that part (c) of Deputy Gannon's-----
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No, I think it is important for-----
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No, I am explaining because Deputy Kelly said that he cannot understand.
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For the benefit of new Members, Deputy Gannon's amendment expressly states "without charge to the applicant", which means that it creates a money message.
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We can get to that, absolutely. I have explained the reason. There is no such expression in amendment No. 7, in the name of Deputy Carthy.
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Does the Minister wish to respond?
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Amendment No. 9 in the name of Deputy Alan Kelly has been ruled out of order.
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I am just about to read the reason. I thank the Deputy. Amendment No. 9 would insert a new definition for "legal counselling", a term used later in the Bill. This definition would provide that such services would be provided to persons free of charge irrespective of a person's ability to secure legal services by their own means. Amendment No. 47 in the name of Deputy Kelly forms a composite proposal with amendment No. 9, inserting a reference to these "legal counselling" services into section 26 of the Bill. Such "free" legal services would have to be provided at the expense of the State. It needs to be understood that the amendments must be ruled out of order in accordance with Standing Order 219(3) as they have the potential to impose a charge on the Revenue. Deputy Kelly has stated that the "free of charge" reference he used was taken from a Government regulation, but Government regulations are not subject to Standing Orders, under which the Bills Office decides whether amendments are in order.
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The Deputy will accept, however, that the Bills Office must operate under Standing Orders.
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I thank the Deputy.
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All Deputies are free to take their case to the Committee on Standing Orders and Dáil Reform, should a change be required.
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I thank the Deputy.
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We move now to amendment No. 10 in the names of Deputies Gannon and Kelly. Amendments Nos. 10, 17, 20, 134, 135, 154, 192 and 206 are related and may be discussed together.
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Amendment No. 11 is out of order.
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As discussed earlier, amendments Nos. 1 and 11 would both require that the Minister carry out reports and administrative matters and lay these reports before the Houses before the Act or provisions thereof can be commenced. It is a long-established precedent that the commencement of an Act cannot be made contingent on an administrative matter external to the Houses, and that is to say contingent on a matter that is outside the control of the Houses themselves. As this is in conflict with the general principles of the Bill as read a Second Time, the amendments must be ruled out of order in accordance with Standing Order 194(1) as they are in conflict with the principle of the Bill as read a Second Time.
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Amendments Nos. 12, 137, 138, 140, 144, 155, 159, 167, 194, 197, 221 to 224, inclusive, 245 to 247, inclusive, 255, 263, 266, 267 and 269 are all related and will be discussed together.
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I thank the Deputy. That concludes the debate for this evening as the time limit of eight hours has been reached.
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